Let me start by putting this post in context. I'm on various e-mail lists, and I ocassionally get into debates on "education policy." Surprised?!
The debate below takes place in the context of one of my detractors accusing me of seeking "raw political power" over principle. This charge is mostly baseless, though I do advocate building political power - which is a function of addition, not subtraction.
I finished my points with the assertion that BIG ED is the most powerful political force in the nation, that it is bent on increasing this power, and that the only way to dislodge this parasite is to defeat it legislatively with countervailing political power ("raw" where needed).
Needless to say, this seems to be controversial in some parts of the "school choice" and "home school" community, where many people just don't seem to have the stomach for political activity.
Upon arguing for increased political activity, one person on the list implied that people in the school reform movement who were bent on seeking power are only interested in "control." They proceeded with what I thought was a poor argument.
There's the context. Here is the argument. It starts with JJ asking me who will protect people from ME...
Can you imagine?! JJ is blue text, I'm black text. (remember - this is on an e-mail list)
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JJ <shaking her head> asks:
And . . . what will protect us from *your* unchecked raw power?
Bruno writes:
It must be your suburban, mellow, female, & possibly Oprahfied instincts that automatically reinterprets things like "countervailing power" as "unchecked raw power." Is this a hold over from your "training" inside the beast?
Frankly, BIG ED, as powerful as it is, falls way short of "unchecked power" - except maybe here in Illinois & California, where they have succeeded in bankrupting both states.
Here, you attack me for merely trying to attain parity. BIG ED is writing its own laws through political control of parties & judges, miseducating millions while spending profligately, and you are worried about Bruno rampaging through the nation on a power trip.
How droll.
JJ wrote:
If you actually can seize the raw power to govern education, then I need to keep as close an eye on you as I do on anyone else grabbing power in the name of "my" freedom.
Bruno writes:
Utter nonsense.
Since being on all these lists, message boards, and blogging, I've consistently advocated (re: education)
- the removal of compulsory education laws
- the freedom of parents to choose how to educate,
- that any system allows for everyone to "opt out."
That's hardly an agenda to "control" education.
To achieve these goals, people must attain the political power to defeat the power of BIG ED. That's all I've ever advocated. Further, for some one to the think that these goals could be achieved with out attaining such power is pure naiveté.
JJ wrote:
If my vision of educational freedom and self-determined learning doesn't match yours, why then -- philosophically, morally, reasonably or any other way -- should yours prevail? Simply because your political machine can enforce it more ruthlessly? Sounds like "might makes right" to me, not real freedom.
Bruno writes:
Utter, utter nonsense. Show me any writing, letter, or phrase that would indicate any truth to your assertions above. All of my harsh rhetoric and political activity re: education has been directed at undermining BIG ED. Nothing else.
Why paint a new devil on the wall when there is a perfectly evil one (BIG ED) already in existence?
JJ wrote:
Why should the future of American education for all parents and citizens be dependent on any faction's vision and seizing of power? Isn't that exactly what you started this fight to END?
Bruno wrote:
You seem incapable of making the distinction between "seizing power" and "attaining enough power to enact better policy." Why? Let's try this. Let's assume there is a crisis of sorts in education.
What is your proposal to improve things? Do we even need a proposal?
Is the situation so bad that we must act, or can it go on like this ad infinitum? If not...
What is the best course of action?
Take your kids out?
What about the other 98% who your kids will have to live & work with?
I submit that the moment you put forth a proposal, I'll be able to ask how you propose to enact it. That is the point at which "raw political power" becomes necessary. (BTW, if your proposal is 'easily enacted', then it isn't sufficiently aggressive, IMO.)
JJ wrote:
Education and principled self-control (not raw power used to control others) ....<snip>
Bruno writes:
This is getting hilarious. Bruno says "we will need raw political power to achieve legislative victories (choice)" and JJ reinterprets this as "Bruno wants to control others."
Hogwash.
Here is an apt analogy. A 98 pound woman feels threatened by the advent of muggers in her neighborhood. She buys a gun for self defense. JJ says "that woman just wants to kill everyone."
Silly, isn't it? So is your assertion that "I want to control everyone."
JJ wrote:
Destroying the entire existing judicial system isn't the answer. Stacking the benches is a more practical answer but antithetical to the freedom we say we seek.
Bruno writes:
I don't know how you got onto judges & benches, but the example goes a long way to proving MY point. Implicit in your arguments is the idea that things are "neutrally balanced" and that BIG ED is already held in check some how. Interesting that currently, in YOUR state, JUDGES are about to overturn the OPPORTUNITY SCHOLARSHIP program on extremely shaky grounds.
Who put THOSE judges there? Whose clout placed every mandate, constitutional clause, and administrative rule in the context that ONLY BIG ED wins? Again, you are worried about some ephemeral exercise of political power by some future party or person while your current society is in the grip of a REAL foul & dangerous industry (BIG ED).
JJ wrote:
In other words, encouraging and sufficiently arming adults to educate themselves about education, to do the hard thinking for themselves, with historical perspective and important new knowledge being discovered constantly, is the real answer.
Thank goodness I don't need to convince Bruno personally of this, or even fight him myself in hand-to-hand combat -- not if I can win the hearts and minds of enough other Thinking Citizens to the view that raw political power is as dangerous to freedom as conservative avenger hands as in anyone else's.
Bruno writes:
Nicely put, but not good enough for the task at hand. (Defeating BIG ED)
Your paragraphs above smack of the Rev. Niemoeller nicely warning Germans of the dangers of Nazism during afternoon tea as Hitler is gearing up for the "night of long knives".
Did you know that even as Hitler was racking up his early military victories, a few generals were trying to figure out ways to kill him. You JJ, would have cautioned them not to "seek power."
Perhaps our greatest issue is that we differ on the nature of the enemy. You are too timid to call BIG ED an "enemy" and I call BIG ED "evil." If the truth is somewhere in between, I'll bet it falls much closer to my view.
As for quip about "conservative avengers".... You seem to forget that most of them (individualists fighting for their freedom) - after winning their battles - gladly put down the tools of war to get back to living a life, while the enemy (BIG ED, collectivists, collectivism) never rests.
Each time around, there are fewer and fewer "conservative avengers" to take up the tools. One day, there will be too few.
On that day JJ will say..
In America, BIG ED first came for the homeschoolers, and I didn't speak up because I don't want to seek power. Then it came for the charter schools, and I didn't speak up because I don't want to seek power. Then it came for the private schoolers, and I didn't speak up because I don't want to seek power. Then it came for the Pre-Schoolers, but I didn't speak up because I don't want to seek power.
Then it came for me, and by that time there was no one who had the power to fight them."
Actual quote here.
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To those reading and enjoying this debate, all I ask is two things. First, that you take the time to understand the nature of the enemy (BIG ED, The Left, Collectivists).
Second, at the appropriate time, you vote for the best candidate (school board, State Rep. etc.) and that you work for that candidate through donations, phone calls & precinct work. For extra credit, you could run for those offices your self.
People like me will help you while the JJ's of the world will caution you to "be nice." Ask yourself to whom you are "being nice" to.
Bruno